Mo Pai FAQ V3

How do I contact your group?

mopaineikung@outlook.com

This is a shared account.

Why are you on thedaobums.com forum?

For whatever reason thedaobums.com is the landing place for everyone searching for information on Mo Pai.

When people come there, they are met with all kinds of lies and disinformation to convince them they really don't want to pursue Mo Pai.

We are here to make a stand against this behavior, and to defend ourselves, our teachers, and our practice.

We also hope that there are other like minded individuals out there who are seriously interested in pursuing Mo Pai.

Are you a cult?

No.

We are a group of rational freethinkers.

We encourage skeptics to practice and see for themselves.

We want people to base their beliefs on their own observations, and on the best evidence available to them.

We do not want anyone accepting anything as true based on someone else's personal testimony, because a book says so, or on faith.

We do not worship any humans, demigods, gods, goddesses, demons, spirits, etc.

No one is required to pay homage to anything or anyone.

We do not charge money, and we do not accept donations.

In our opinion this makes us as anti-cult as it gets.

Do you really stick wires into your anus during meditation?

No.

Jim was given instruction to sit on the ground during meditation and training.

We was told he absolutely must be grounded to the earth, and it was not optional.

Jim asked John what he should do when it snowed or rained and he had to be inside.

John told Jim to use a grounding wire connected to a grounding rod during these times.

We encourage people to do as Jim did, and meditate using a tent with the bottom cut out of it, wearing no synthetic materials, 100% cotton only.

Those that meditate indoors do use a grounding wire, but this only makes contact with the skin, and is not inserted into any weird places or bodily orifices.

Did Jim practice incorrectly and cause himself cancer as a result?



While Jim was serving in Vietnam he was doused in agent orange.

Jim developed a specific form of very aggressive cancer, it was linked to that exposure.

https://www.publichealth.va.gov/exposures/agentorange/conditions/prostate_cancer.asp

"A 2013 study conducted at the Portland VA Medical Center and Oregon Health and Science University found that Veterans exposed to Agent Orange are not only at higher risk for prostate cancer, but they are more likely to have aggressive forms of the disease. Read the abstract for the publication, Agent Orange as a risk factor for high-grade prostate cancer."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/agent-orange-exposure-linked-to-deadliest-form-of-prostate-cancer-in-vietnam-war-vets/

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/08/080805092016.htm

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-04/mcog-aoe042009.php

A study of 1,495 veterans who underwent radical prostatectomy to remove their cancerous prostates showed that the 206 exposed to Agent Orange had nearly a 50 percent increased risk of their cancer recurring despite the fact that their cancer seemed relatively nonaggressive at the time of surgery.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23670242

Agent Orange as a risk factor for high-grade prostate cancer.

52% increase in overall risk of developing aggressive prostate cancer.

https://www.pcf.org/news/agent-orange-prostate-cancer/

Prostate Cancer Foundation

Worse, “the men who were exposed to Agent Orange and other battlefield chemicals often present with more aggressive prostate cancer,” says Jeffrey Jones, M.D., Chief of Urology at the Michael E. DeBakey Veteran Affairs Medical Center (MEDVAMC).

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-agent-orange-cancer-idUSBRE94C03U20130513

Agent Orange tied to aggressive prostate cancer risk

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-04/mcog-aoe042009.php

Agent Orange exposure increases veterans' risk of aggressive recurrence of prostate cancer








Also according to Dr. Lawrence Blair as of September 12, 2019 John in his 80s and close to level 20 in Mo Pai has cancer himself.

https://youtu.be/xVU3WIco0eY?t=143

It is also important to note that most men will develop prostate cancer if they live long enough, it is a natural part of aging.

At best it can be argued that lower levels of Mo Pai do not provide the ability needed to heal cancer.

John stated that his teacher however could heal cancer, so at higher levels this would be possible.

Did Jim misunderstand what John taught him?

No.

In addition to recording his teacher, and being able to verify the translation as accurate, he was tested to his level by John himself and certified to have passed the exam.

Many Indonesian students could not pass this exam:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xh9NmkAG7E

Jim might have understood some things, but your group is a bunch of idiots that don't know jack!

We don't claim to be teachers at all.

We merely provide what Jim and Kostas brought back, and nothing more.

We are students just like you, sharing what Jim and Kostas brought back.

We have not altered these instructions, or their words at all.

They are their original teachings unaltered.

You can't learn from video, picture and text! YOU NEED A REAL TEACHER!

Many in our group were students of Jim, others of Kosta.

This is how knowledge is passed down, from teacher to students who eventually become the next generation of teacher.

We work hard to provide the original unaltered instructions.

Indeed you can learn from these materials and the advice of fellow students without any problems.

The practice itself is very simple.

If you are not charging money, not accepting donations, and have to deal with extremely hostile trolls non-stop what do you get out of this? Why do you do it?


We want to see these teachings survive, and for others to see for themselves the reality of them.

This is something that is life changing, and will change the mind of any skeptic willing to do the work and see for themselves.

We believe this could change the world, if only we could get people to invest the time and effort to see for themselves

You only have the first 3 levels of practice, why not just give up and find something else.

The first 3 levels provide life changing results, far beyond what other practices can provide.

Mo Pai, and Tummo are the only practices at this time with good evidence backing them.

We are actively looking for other practices and hope one day to find an alternative.

Until then we consider this the best option we know of currently.

You only practice "Western" Mo Pai, not the real Mo Pai.

In truth there is only one Mo Pai, and you either practice it, or you don't.

The teachings we preserve are the same ones you would get if you were ethnically Chinese, flew to Indonesia tomorrow and were accepted as a student.

Is Mo Pai Qigong?

No.

Mo Pai is a neigong school.

How can you claim to be rational when obviously you believe in the supernatural?



"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." -Arthur C. Clarke


There are many things modern science lacks paradigms to explain, we in fact are not nearly as advanced as we give ourselves credit for.


There is nothing supernatural in the entire universe, and there can be nothing that is supernatural.


If a thing exists, or an event occurs it must be by definition natural.


Supernatural as a description of a thing or an event exists only because we lack the necessary scientific paradigms to explain it.


If you were to show handheld CB radios to people from the 1400s you would be burned at the stake for witchcraft.


They would lack the paradigms necessary to make sense of the technology.


All of John's abilities, and yin spirits are purely natural.

We encourage people to base their beliefs off objective video evidence, and their own first hand observations, and not accept things as true on faith, a book, or the personal testimony of other people.

What is the end goal of the Mo Pai system.


If you have critically read Kostas books this should be crystal clear.

This question is best not delved into as it has been the cause of many arguments.

Our purpose for pursuing the system is to practice something with good objective video evidence, showing doctors and scientists doing their best to rule out fraud occurring.

We want to practice something with good evidence behind it, and we want to see for ourselves from our own training the reality of it.

I heard that Jim was taught to breath incorrectly and this set him back in his training.

This is a mixture of a few different things.

First Jim was taught a special breathing technique for level 1, but for whatever reason he chose not to do it.

Instead he just breathed naturally, and even doing so was examined and tested to have passed level 1.

We however still provide the original instruction he was given, and encourage people to follow it.

Next, while John was in the forests of Borneo on retreat Jim was ready to begin his level 2b training however he could not contact John and did not know what to do.

Jim sought out a qigong master who told him to do MCO practice.

When John returned and Jim caught up with him, John was furious and made Jim choose MCO, or Mo Pai but not both.

Jim was forced to start over to undo the effects of MCO and this did set him back somewhat.

Mixing MCO and Mo Pai is extremely dangerous and should not be attempted.

What is the difference between neigong and qigong?

Qigong works only with yang energy, neigong works with both yin and yang energy.




According to Chinese thought, there are basically two types of
training involving our vital energies: ch’ikung and neikung.

...

ch’ikung centers on the development and control of yang ch’i (also
called lii ch’i or “fire” ch’i), while neikung involves the joint employ-
ment of yang ch’i and yin ch’i (called “water” ch’i or kann ch’i)



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I use my yin and yang together as one;
that is why I can do what I do. By itself, yang ch’i cannot pass the
limits of the body.”



“Neikung,” I had said.



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Then John’s student came back; he had
managed to find a straight razor at a local cutlery shop. John gave
the ch’ikung master the razor and asked him to cut him anywhere he
liked. Try as he might, the man could not hurt John, even though in
the end he put all his power and emotion into it.”



“What happened then?” I asked.


“Nothing. The man had lost the contest.”


“Did he become John’s student?”


“No. He was too proud.”


“Do you know why the man lost?” John asked suddenly from
behind us. He had crept up silently and was listening in.


“Because he had only yang ch’i?” I replied.



“That’s correct. He was a dedicated practitioner, but he didn’t
have all the proper information. What he did was ch’ikung, but not
neikung. A man can train all his life and not get anywhere unless he
is correct in his training.



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Did John really teach Jim he had to be grounded to the earth during meditation to absorb yin chi?

YES.

He told me I needed to be sitting on the ground; he could tell because I didn't have enough “yin” in me when he checked me out. I had been practicing inside a mobile home I was living in temporarily next to the house I was building. It was about three feet above the ground. He explained to me, “Your yin comes from the earth and you need to be connected to it.” He said I have to sit outside on the ground. This was somewhat troubling because where I live it snows about twice a year and rains a lot, so while he was telling me this I was trying to figure how I was going to be able to do it. He also told me yang comes from the air and enters the energy point on the top of your head. And it needs to be equally balanced with my yin which enters another energy point at the area of your perineum.



-Seeking The Master Of Mo Pai Jim McMillan

What is Mo Pai?

It is a school of Neikung said to have begun with the sage Mo-Tzu.

Who are the current lineage holders?

John has retired, and left his top Indonesian student as head of the school.

What schools currently practice?

This question seems open ended.

Which schools currently practice Mo Pai?

If this is the question then there is only one known school of Mo Pai left remaining on earth.

How does Mo Pai compare with other traditions and practices?

Mo Pai and Tummo are the only two arts we as a group are aware of with good evidence behind them, investigated by scientists and doctors on camera doing their best to rule out fraud.

Can Mo Pai be practiced without a teacher or group?

Yes, many in our group were students of Jim, and we retain the videos and training materials he left to us.

I want you to discuss specifics of your training.

Unfortunately we cannot go into this in public.

What is the history of the system? How does it tie in with MoZi?

“Mo-Tzu was the founder of our lineage. He knew about yin ch’i
and yang ch’i, but he had no idea how to put the two together. So he
experimented with his students; he told one man to try it this way,
another to try it that way. Many people died; to these men we owe a
debt, because without their sacrifice we would not have discovered
the precise method of bringing the two energies together.”

...

“Was Mo-Tzu himself successful?” I asked.
“No. He never managed to make yin and yang meet. It was an
unknown teacher of the school of Mo-Tzu, the Mo-Pai, who finally
managed it hundreds of years later. After him there were various
Headmasters at different levels, until Chang San Feng, who became
the first to reach Level Seventy-Two. He left us a book outlining the
method; it was this book that Liao Sifu left to me.


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Which tenets of MoZi does your group follow?

We do not adhere to any type of religious or philosophical tenets.